By Your link has been automatically embedded. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM Hope this Helps! This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. I know for people with slower swing speeds these crazy lofted, ultimate SGI irons are perfect. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Callaway 2018 MB irons This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. 10.5 set at small - It is a taylormade udi 2i that I want to bend from 18* to 16*. The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. The simple fact is that good golf cannot be played with a bad grip on the club. I will only add that I don't see what the benefit would be to strengthening loft. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. The two things are diametrically opposed in meaning of course. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. The most common complaint I hear from golfers looking for new irons is that all the lofts are jacked strong. If someone is playing an iron set, for instance, from the late 1990s or earlier they will most likely find their irons to be 2-to-3 degrees weaker than todays game-improvement irons, and even some players irons. The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. Taking the destructive shot out of your game is key. most amateurs like to hit the long ball not the low score. It is a combination of those factors to get consistent results. Justin Rose posts mysterious custom JR irons on Instagram. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lofts (plus minus 2*) Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. It has been working really well for me. There was only an added 2 yards with the stronger lofts of trackman. What still kills me are the guys coming in and demanding a lower lofted driver thinking it will give them more distance. i realize the distance and ball flight. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. You don't say what club it is, but Rev said it sounds like a long iron and I agree. if we move from a "high launch" to a Low launch shaft, who reduce loft by 2* we also lost 2* bounce. But i am talking more along the lines of the bounce, leading edge, etc. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Lets assume that the launch angle with a modern-lofted set of irons is ideal. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. Sure, the top few are valid members of the PGA Tour, all with their legitimate claims in this lowly class, but we then have the likes of Chad Campbell (unranked after not being seen for almost three years) and Frank Lickliter (now outside the world top 3000) bringing up a rear lacks depth. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. If so why mess with perfection. :-). I use Ping I Blades and Ping have a 'power spec' on their website for these where the lofts can be bent to and still retain playabilty. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. I did this with my current set and the results are great. I realize this can be affected by angle of attack, swing speed, iron/shaft design, and ball design. It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther, and this is understandable. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. The club was designed and built with certain characteristics. It just depends. Thanks everybody for the help! And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Where Can You Get Your Lie Angle Adjusted, Should You Use Heavier Shafts in Wedges? Reduce the loft & you reduce the bounce which, on the longer clubs, is quite small anyway. Undershooter The refit yielded a super driving iron. Because of my forward foot was so much above my trail foot, my hands were a good 6" behind the ball, when compared to a level lie. Simply put, bending the iron 6.5 degrees strong wasn't an option. Clear editor. My irons are bent weak partly to get the right launch conditions but also to reduce my draw. Assuming you are not altering the trajectory due to the conditions. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. Great answer Blake. I am 2 handicap, playing Scottish Links golf, smooth tempo, 80-90mph, pretty straight flight, shallow divot. I just switched from Wilson Ci9 to Taylormade TP MC, and Ive gained almost 15 yards despite the lofts being higher. Craig, Callaway MD 3 48 bent to 50 KBS 610 S+ **. 716 MB'S. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. If you change your AOA and go 2* steeper, both delivered loft and bounce is reduced by 2* The incredible story behind Arnold Palmers $275,000 irons from the 1960s, OLD vs. NEW: TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 irons vs. My modern irons (Full launch monitor numbers), Legendary club designer Larry Bobka speaks on his new $599 blade irons, What are these?! With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. It is amazing how much higher/lower similar irons can perform, in terms of player level. Ping G425 5 wood & hybrid Bottom line: bending 2* strong may or may not cause issues. Can you bend a metal wood? Currently I play a set of old-school Ping Eye 2s, which I love, but I want the benefits of modern irons and forged heads. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. But loft is a much more important factor in fitting. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. So if you have the time, watch this cool video that I really like explaining how important lie angle is for your golf game: Having and knowing the correct lie angle of your clubs will be a game changer, I promise! Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. If you're after a driving iron, I would expect you to use it off the tee for the most part. When my first 'proper' set of clubs (MP30s) were done - at the same time as a Driver Shaft fitting - a couple were out considerably (the 6 iron had the loft of a 5!)! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc, Srixon Q Star Tour, Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options. The Ever Changing Bag! About time someone who knows what theyre talking about said what the the real deal is with loft and modern clubs. I have read that it can create "diggers" is this true? I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. The loft difference in the AP2 7 iron and AP3 6 iron is 6 degrees apart. Contact Us Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. In turn creating around 12 more yds. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Say you have a modern set that is 3-PW, 19*-45*. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. LOWER COG IN NEW IRONS REQUIRES LESS LOFT A LOT OF THE TIME TO GET THE SAME DISTANCE OF OLDER CLUBS WITH A HIGHER COG. 5-G That is why getting the numbers is so important. Guaranteed that if you looked at your ball speed it was dramatically higher. If you think about it, a flatter lie would be toe down for your swing. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. Study those players and mimic their set-up and you will take another giant step toward playing better golf. My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. The new grooves should also be mentioned as allowing the ball to slide up the face a little more compared to the older grooves. Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. Well gee, I guess if you cant get a 7 iron in the air, you really do need some help haha. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Introduce Yourself/ WIYB (What's In Your Bag), Lessons, Drills, Mental Game, and Fitness Tips. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. Ordering & Information Your email address will not be published. No matter what your skill level, you will not optimize your performance with outdated or ill-fitted golf clubs. I have a 17-degree 4-wood, a 21-degree hybrid, a 26-degree hybrid, and a 29-degree iron as my longer (non-driver) clubs. In a typical golf set, loft increases as shaft length decreases. You cannot paste images directly. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Why would you weaken the lofts of every club and increase the bounce angle by a proportionate amount if you could just get rid of the 3 iron and add a gap wedge? Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. Changing the loft on clubs can really screw with the visual look of them at address and change the playing characteristics. (I ran into this today.) Pasted as rich text. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. We also see these players having gapping issues with a mid iron, not just 4 and 5 like your example, so adding loft achieves better gapping as well. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs. Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Here is a quick list of scenarios that might mean that you need to use a flatter lie angle in your clubs: On the flip side, here is a list of situations that might require you to get a more upright lie angle: The best way to get your loft and lie adjusted is by a professional club fitter. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. Great article. That's what I did with my 4i: took out the 95 gram KBS shaft and replaced it with a 75-gram SteelFiber 780 HLS hybrid shaft. 5 Testers Needed! You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. is 2 degrees enough to mess up a club? Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? Thankfully gone are the days of everyone demanding s300 S or X when they dont have the swing speed to support them. More photos from the event here. I've never had a sand wedge bent, I suppose that could be an issue but if you open the blade a bit the bounce comes back. If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. Golfers can see their spin rate drop thousands of RPMs from the rough (depending on the rough and type of lie), so being able to keep their shots in the air with enough spin to stop the ball on the green can be a huge part of helping them shoot lower scores. Ping G425 Max 10.5 - Ventus Black 6X or G425 LST Ventus - Black 7X, Ping G425 Max 14.5 - Ventus Blue 7X Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. The new era of stronger lofts is all about how far to hit 7 iron vs how close to hit 7 iron and more accurate. Im also adding a 5 wood to the bag and changing to a 54/60 wedge set-up. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. Having spent a lot of his childhood in Hawaii and now on a course that will reward his best asset, Grant can justify this snippet from a recent interview: Fortunately for me, I grew up in the wind.. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Its like that distance is just not filled. One good example comes to mind. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. Getting your first putt inside three feet will greatly improve your score. (more on this down below). weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Does that create the maximum distance for that ball speed? May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM Oh, and Jason Day is reputed to have bent some of his irons strong and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with ego. -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. Training Aids, GPS Devices, Apps, Accessories & More. Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. Upload or insert images from URL. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. You won't notice it. One other thing is that some clubs are designed from the factory strong lofted to begin with Taylor Made GI irons are a good example of this. A golf club can be bent two degrees flat when the lie angle is lowered and the heel of the club is raised to a position that is higher than the toe of the club. As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. All very well getting consistent loft gaps if your distance gaps are varied. Best of luck.Chuck. Since clubs are bent with iron bars by applying pressure on. Everyone's comments are super helpful! I think that makes a difference. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. On 7/12/2018 at 3:15 PM, PoeKingShankspeare said: Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here, Please put any questions of comments here, w/ SuperStroke 2.MidSlim (50 gr. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Sitemap. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. Albion, MI 49224 What bounce does is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. If the club has an abundance of bounce and/or a rounded leading edge, reducing bounce by 2* might not matter. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. What the heck are they were talking about? Srixon Q-Star Tour / 2. In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. More is not always better, but I would expect nothing less from a fitter at Carls Golfland. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X As club fitters, you have to find the balance between measurable results and what the customer THINKS is happening. Would they still be ideal? They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. Upload or insert images from URL. Watch this great video here if you are curious on how to bend the lie angle of a club using a loft/lie machine: Impact tape is a tape that a club fitter places on the face of the golf club that creates marks of where the golfer struck the ball on the clubface. From my observation of thousands of golfers of all skill levels, far too many are deficient in the fundamentals, starting with the grip, and then to the set-up and only then to the swing motion. On the short end, as the pitching wedge loft gets stronger you end up with wider gaps in the scoring clubs. IG: golfer_scott What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? Display as a link instead, 16,822. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. If you're a true picker, wont make you a digger. Military. FAQs There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. Pros and cons? I play high bounce Ping G30's and have bent some of the clubs in that set that strong. Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). And the grip should be light enough to allow supple movement in the wrists during the swing. I showed him all the stats on the monitor and he was in agreement but when it came to buying the actual driver he insisted on buying the 9.5 head with the TP after all the work on the launch monitor. seabiscuit death scene, why can't citrus trees be shipped to florida, ochsner medical center 1514 jefferson highway jefferson, la 70121,

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